Shamanism

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Comment by Tanner on August 13, 2018 at 8:12pm

Theres also this lecture from alan watts that was the first talk i ever heard from him, i stumbled upon it when i was about 21 or 22 after looking around on youtube of videos of people who were considered schizophrenic and wanting to hear anyones stories who heard voices, and this lecture set the course for me to think about the way that i think very differently and see my own so called illness as something unique to me that isnt inherently wrong, but it isnt common to most people, which is where the difficulty in sharing weird experiences is to try to relate to others.

Its about an hour and a half long

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eksdBEIQS6g

Comment by Tanner on August 13, 2018 at 8:09pm

This sounds interesting. I read some article a long time ago about a shaman who visited a mental hospital and he saw people who were tortured because there were spirits constantly whispering in their ear, and the point he was trying to make was that people who are often treated as schizophrenics or mentally ill are experiencing things that are from the spiritual world but western society generally doesnt know how to handle it because theyre not in tune with the spiritual side, so the psychistric system puts them in institutions that make them worse rather than learning to heal and work with whatever it is theyre dealing with. There was some young kid in the article who was disgnosed as a schizophrenic but a shaman found him and took him to some village in another country where he became a healer. Some of the voices we hear in our heads are not our own. But this point that they werent cured because they didnt have a disease is the exact point. 

Terrence Mckenna has some talks that are related to this, and this one in particular is him describing what its like to be considered schizophrenic and describing the actual problem, if there is any, being that if anyone on the outside doesnt have a problem with it, then why would it be considered anything to worry about at all. Thats what i take it as at least.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CyB5VwSCoCc

He also has a good talk about shamans and their role in the world as people who stay on the fringes and bring new ideas and new ways into the world for other people to follow, not being followers themselves of a general i guess a common mode of behaving but being ones that change the way people behave my bringing their own actions into the world.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b4S-eH-1PTw

Comment by T.E. Pelton on August 13, 2018 at 7:57pm

I saw an excellent movie about how people with “mental differences” were “cured”when they embraced their Shamanism.  It’s called Crazywise.  

They were not cured because they didn’t have a disease. they just found themselves so they became more integrated and much happier